Strange !!!!!!!!!!!

[winghunter]

I am very very disappointed about the Präsident of the Venture Royale Club Germany.

I will show you copies of EMails. Sorry, it is in German. I will give you a short summarize of the meaning in those mails.

I invited the member of that club for the Oct., 1st meeting at the Mosel. I posted our original letter into their forum. 15 minutes later I recognized, that the posting was deleted, as well my IP number was banned ! After I posted again with a different IP number. That posting was deleted as well. I posted into their guestbook - another delete !

At least I got a mail from Thomas - seems to be the präsident of that club. He told me, that we have to do our things and they will do their things - whatever that means. He felt bothered !

Can anybody pls. let me know, if there was anything wrong to invite them ? Guys, this is our hobby, nothing else.

Here are the letters :

Answer regarding my postings :

Hallo Rudi,

aus guten Gründen heraus, haben wir deinen Forumseintrag bezüglich des Venturetreffens gelöscht.

Ich darf dich bitten, zukünftig davon abzusehen derartige Einträge in unserem Forum oder auch Gästebuch vorzunehmen.

Ohne Polemik, aber auch ohne weitere Diskussionen hierüber, wie ich dir bereits geschrieben hatte: macht ihr euer "Ding" wir machen unseres.

Solange du dich daran hälst, bist du in unserem Forum gerne gesehen.

Gruß Thomas
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Here is my answer :

Thomas,

zum einen habe ich gar kein Interesse eine Diskussion unter diesen Voraussetzungen anzufangen. Das ich bei "Dir" im forum gern gesehener Gast bin, bezweifele ich. Zeigt auch der Versuch mich durch Sperrung der IP zu verbannen.

Hier mein Statement - keine Diskussion :

1.
Was bezweckst Du mit diesem artfremden Verhalten. Da ich bereits zu einigen Personen Deines Clubs Kontakt hatte, finde ich es von Dir verwerflich über Deine Mitglieder hinweg zu entscheiden.

2.
Du hast offensichtlich als einer der sehr wenigen Personen immer noch nicht den Sinn und Zweck unseres Forums verstanden. Wir wollen nicht "Unser" Ding machen sondern als Bindeglied zwischen den einzelnen europäischen Clubs stehen.
Mit Deinem Verhalten driftest Du zum einen sehr weit aus der gesamten Venture Scene ab und zum anderen wirst Du Dich mit Deinem Verhalten isolieren.

3.
Was war an der Einladung verwerflich ? Hast Du vor irgendetwas Angst oder wie soll ich ein solches Verhalten eines erwachsenen Mannes interpretieren.

4.
Ob Du mich aus Eurem Forum bannst, obliegt Dir. Gehe jedoch davon aus, das die gesamte Angelegenheit nicht ungehört bleibt.

5.
Da das Thema Venture für mich Hobby ist und bleibt, finde ich es umso betrüblicher, das personen wie Du sich als Präsident eines Clubs ausgeben, der das Hobby Venture zum einen herausstellen soll und andere Mitglieder zusammenführen soll.
In welche Kategorie passt Dein Verhalten ? Ich sehe hier nichts vom Zusammenführen des gemeinsamen Hobbies.

Trotzdem einen netten Gruss

Rudy
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Finally they cutted off and banned my next IP address !

Strange - strange - strange

Sorry guys, that is more than poor !!!

[winghunter]

In follow up on that matter, there are some pending questions by my side.

Are there more clubs and members thinking in the same way ? I got a different impression during the meeting.

Guess that man hasn`t understand the sence of our Club. We will not steal members and we will not be a head organisation of other clubs.

How are your thoughts regarding that issue ? Pls. tell that story to other clubs and their präsidents. As well pls. open up a discussion on the Venture board in the US.

Again, I felt real poor after my posting in their forum. It was only an invitation, nothing else !

[Pi-eF vum Elsass]

It's completely an amazing reaction. I can't understand it, cause there's no rivalty beetween the Venturers and our national Clubs : they are complementary, that's all ! We have many many work for better relationship, that's sure.

[winghunter]

Yes Pief,

it was unbelieveble, such kind of strange reaction after an invitation !

Will fine if you will report that to the Venture Club France.

Tried to phone that man - without luck ! So I guess, it needs to be cleared by the local clubs.

[roland]

Seems to me that he or more members of this Club don't want to discuss anything. But what for? Live and let live! If they don't want to take part in activities outside their club we have to respect this. In my opinion I won't to force someone to do things he don't want to do.

Forget it. May be sometimes he will change his opinion, but he will not for sure if you try to force him.

[Falko]

the meeting onthe 01. Oktober is a try ! Only a Try !

i invited both german clubs -
and the Members of the VCE
+ everyone who is willing to have a good time with other Venturers

to those who are not willing to come :

thats your Problem - if you dont want to join in such meetings
but:
dont sleep to long - not till you are the only one outside
and wondering where all other Venturers are...

i hope that it will be a nice meeting with friends from europe
and specially with some old and new friends from germany !
everyone will hear about it after that FIRST meeting...

if it will be a success - we plan to do this on a regular basis !
maybe 2 or 3 times per year ! - just to stay in contact
and one of those meets will be a bigger one - like the first :
where we invite friends from the surrounding countrys too !

we will see.....

[winghunter]

Roland, I aggree - since it is our hobby. At least most of the time I do respect the meaning and different thoughts of other people.
But that we they are doing or what their präsident is doing has nothing to do with respect of other people or respect in other thoughts.
I don`t like to force him or someone else. In my buisness job I have to deal enough with such kind of low educated people.

Sorry, but it is a shame ! By the way, he deleted Petra`s account at their forum as well ? Where is the sence in doing that ?

[bunnie]

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try to stay open minded and respect such decisions without closing them off or shutting them out.
It is never a problem and joining another meeting can always be done.
There will be never a "left outside alone" since being "In" is not a goal of the European Venturers as we want to be complementary.

This reaction only shows that it is very tricky to get the right message understood. Especially if a BoD of a national club has the idea they have really not much more to offer then what we are offering.

[Falko]

bunnie said:

This reaction only shows that it is very tricky to get the right message understood. Especially if a BoD of a national club has the idea they have really not much more to offer then what we are offering.

bunnie you are the man - a very good try of an explanation - what could be going on....

[valhalla]

Hi one and all ,
A very warm welcome to squeese i hope you like the site i think this is the best way forward for the Venture clubs around Europe as most of us run old 1st generation ventures to which we find parts getting harder and harder to find. i feel that the Europe Ventures is the best thing that has happened for Venture riders in europe. The American Venturers is also a very good site but unfortunatly they are so far away from Europe and cannot help us the way that Europe Venturers can. All this tank and back stabbing has got to stop we all own and run similar machines so what is the problem with a Web site that brings us together in more way than one . Long may it go on
Colin President of Venture Club UK

[winghunter]

Yes Collin,

since most of us ride a Venture of the 1st generation. It gets harder and harder to find specific parts for it. Sometimes you can replace Venture parts with parts from other bikes. All these information can be shared with people all around Europe in this community.

And that`s for sure. This forum lives with the input of every member.

Hope other presidents do think like you.

Good to have you on board !!!!!

[doc]

Rudy:
To delete your messages and ban your isp in a few minutes shows this was the action of one or two people, and was the decision of one person.
It has nothing to do with the actual Membership of the German Venture club, or even their BOD.
What you have there is one person ruling with a glove of iron, scared that our very existance threatens his rule despite our assurances to the contrary.

What his membership is going to think about being denied the right to make their own desisions regarding this club and what it is organising for all veturers in general once they find out about it?
I know if I was a German member and found out my club was trying to run my life I'd be well pissed off.

I wouldn't condone interference such as contacting his membership individualy, just let the word get around naturaly.

We're not about politics.
He's running his club too much to his own rules and making arbartry desicions.
If his membership don't agree with his desiscions, they'll either drift away from the club or change the leadership.
Thats his problem not ours.