Venture with a "Klicktronic"

[winghunter]

Hi Doc,

job is done. The Klicktronic works great on the Venture !
I made a test ride with the Klicktronic on board. Was a different feeling to use the clutch and shift the gears with finger touchs. After a while it is real comfortable. Great.
Martin - our Venture mechanic did a great job to install it on the Venture for a comfortable use. Now he orders some special washers you need and he will get a black paint on the holding plates. Guess everything is finished for you within the next week.
Enjoy riding with your Venture !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here are some pics for the people who don`t know what a "Klicktronic" is. May be, you will add some further information in this thread.

Was a pleasure for me to help you out !!



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[TwoWheels]

That is some equipment there,is it green up & red down & no clutch to worry about,just like a formula 1 Ferrari,makes me think

[winghunter]

Noel, you got very close. You are right when you say, the green buttom is to shift up and the red buttom is to shift down. You shift with finger touchs, but you have to use the clutch.
different riding feeling.

[TwoWheels]

Doc,the 2nd gear trouble only happens with 83 to 85,it was all fixed in the later years.Best to double check that info on .org

[winghunter]

Doc, Noel is right. The second gear problem is only at XVZ 12 Ventures - so don`t worry about that problem. It doesn`t happen with your Venture ;D ;D ;D

How was the riding feeling with Klicktronic ? First it was, let me say different. Had to use the clutch and I was to much concentrated to use the right buttom with the fingers ;D ;D, after a while that procedure came up real comfortable. One thing I have realised is, that the clutch is quiet strong to use, you have to hold on the clutch during shifting with the the finger tip. May be I had not enough strngth in my left hand ;D ;D ;D - that was a little bit difficult.

But at least, the Klicktronic is an item that allows you to shift very fast !

[winghunter]

Doc, ipictures were taken with a Fuji S 20 Pro - great camera

[Nacho]

Wouldn't it be more logical to place those red and green buttoms on the right side? I guess that if you use your left hand to cluth, then you have to use your right thumb to change gears.

And yes, the second gear problem is only for 1200 Ventures. Your's will never have that problem.

Just my two cents.

Regards,

Nacho.

[valhalla]

Hi,
Doc has a klicktronic fitted to his Venture and it works very well for him and they are realy easy to fit
Have a word with him he knows a lot about them.
Yours Colin

[squeeze]

Hi Winghunter and Doc,

why don't you switch the Igniton Circut down for 0,5 Seconds, that enough Time to shift securly. That doesn't affect anything except you haven't use the Clutch while shifting Gears.

Ferrari and all the other sequential Gears in Racing use this technique to shift fast and secure.

Just switch the Plus-Cable of the Igniton-Coils and be pleasured.


jm2c

[doc]

Hi sqeeze.
Yes klikronic do have a interupter switch you can fit for clutchless changes that interupts the coil feed.
Mind this is a big old touring bike, leasurly changes and riding style. Even the ride out in the savoy was OK and that was well twisty.
I might go for something like it if I ever get a sport bike.
Doc

[squeeze]

Hi Doc,

sorry, but i wasn't on to offend you. I'm just thinking that one who's spending Time and Money for an Semi-Automatic shifting System, would invest another 10 Euros to bring that System up to a really State-of-the-Art Status...


In other words, if you don't want to use your left for shifting Gears, why use the Clutch-Lever ?

Even if One has a Problem with his left Foot, the automatic for Ignition-timeout should be the better technical solution, instead of using Clutch lever synchronous whilst pressing the shift-Button.

[doc]

No offence taken mate.
I was wondering though. 10 Euro's???
How would you do it for 10 Euro?

[squeeze]

Hi Doc, sorry for misunderstanding you.

The Realisation is quite simple. Just go to an elektronics Supplier, here in Germany we have Conrad Electronics or Reichelt and look for an adjustable Time Switch with an integrated Relais or an transitorized Maincircuit Switch. The Relais should it do also but mechanics may fail and the Switchtime is not so fast as an elektronik Switch. I think the Maincircuit should have 3 or 4 Amps Current, might be enough for the Coils.

Then put the Switch in the Controlcircuit of the Klicktronic where the Pushbuttons are, the Maincircuit should have an breakcontact, which open up the + Mainline of the Ignition-Coils, set the Switchtime at one Second, take a Testride and be satisfied.

At the Time you push a button to shift gears, the Timeswitch will break the +Line to the Ignition-Coils for the adjusted Second or less, you can marginly reduce the Timeslot after Testing. The Klicktronik will securly shift Gear and after the Second is gone the Current to the Coils is working again and here you go.

You can simulate this Function also by Using the Stop-Switch on the right Handlebar. But don't use the Stopswitch that often, as this Switch take the Current off from the CDI-Unit and other Systems, this might be less good for the Lifetime, if switched fast and often.

btw ... Friend Hugo of the Vmaxxers.net used the Stopswitch nearly the whole last Saturday for making his Bike Exhaustbanging at the Wille Waeller Streetfighter Weekend ;D ;D ;D ... his CDI don't fail ... but i would not do that to my Bikes and recommend the fairly Use of the Stopswitch


I could make you the Plan, and give you the correct Linecolours, but I don't have a Workshop-Manual for the VR, sorry.
On the Vmax the Colour to switch the Mainstream ist Red/White at all Coils. Yellow is the switched Minus, coming from the CDI-Unit.


P.S.
You won't even have to put the Throttle back und pull off after Shifting. Just leave it in the Position you preffered before. You can test that Step by Step.

[Nacho]

Nice information Squeeze. Thanks for sharing it with us.

squeeze said:

But don't use the Stopswitch that often, as this Switch take the Current off from the CDI-Unit and other Systems, this might be less good for the Lifetime, if switched fast and often.

btw ... Friend Hugo of the Vmaxxers.net used the Stopswitch nearly the whole last Saturday for making his Bike Exhaustbanging at the Wille Waeller Streetfighter Weekend ;D ;D ;D ... his CDI don't fail ... but i would not do that to my Bikes and recommend the fairly Use of the Stopswitch

I always shut off my engine using the STOPSWITCH of the handle bar. Is this any bad for the engine or the CDI? I do it always right after turning all the lights and music off. Then I use the SWITCH. Am I doing bad?

Is anybody doing the same thing?

Thanks in advance for all the imput.

Best regards from Spain,

Nacho.

[doc]

Nacho the stop switch is just fine for shutting down, and won't hurt anything.
Hugo would have been hitting his stop switch while rolling.
The fuel then gets pumped into the engine and the exhaust and is ingnited with a bang when you throw the ignition back in.
You risk problems when making a bike backfire this way. The Head gasket, the plugs, the exhaust seals, but worst of all the valves.

[squeeze]

Hi Nacho,

i agree with Doc, no Damage if you use it the Way you use the Stopswitch.


I think that the CDI-Unit shouldn't be switched fast and often. There are also some other Systems which are affected by the Switch.


btw Hugo did this while the Max was parked at our Claim in the Area at Liebenscheid ... the Problem thereby is... those Streetfighters all have Revlimiters, they switch on and off while the Engine is in the Limiter then BANG. The VMax don't have one ... he brought up some 4ooo Revs, cut-out the Ignition, push back the Throttle to Zero, then switch to ON,BANG, pull up again ... in totally at Saturday some 4 or 5 Hours ;D ;D ;D there was Kind of an Sound-Contest with an Guy in the Neigborhood, he's got an GSX-R , that Bike sounded like an loud an gone wild Starter of our V4's. Hugo's got Carbon-Exhausts, very Deep Tone, very Open without the Silencers ... no Question whose Sound i preffered ... ;D ;D ;D