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Post by WOLF on May 3, 2005 22:52:41 GMT 1
Hello guys, I have a probleme and i hope someone can help me At 64000kms my dealer installed a new clutch. I heard an anoying noise witch stopped when i pulled the clutch level. Two weeks ago my bike was only working on 3cylinders so my dealer installed a new ignition coil ( i think this is the englisch name for it, the netherlands name is stroombobijn ) I also thold my dealer that i heard a tikking noise in the waterpump witch went over everythime i pulled the clutch level Last saturday i picked up my bike after paying 227euros buth i still hear the noise in the waterpump; The dealer thold me that this is normal because the bike is not new anymore. I have 76000 kms on my odometer right now. Because i was planning to ride at least 2more years with it i was not very happy with his explaniaton. Does somebudy nows what it can be and how i can fix it? I have baught myself a clymer manual buth my english is not good anaugh to understand the technical words
Greetings, Wolf
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Post by TwoWheels on May 4, 2005 7:29:45 GMT 1
Hi Wolf,sorry to hear you have problems with your waterpump,if you have no luck getting info from these guys in the next few days,I will ask the guys in the USA for you. Is it an XVZ13 & what year is it,
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Post by fabian68870 on May 4, 2005 8:12:01 GMT 1
Sorry Wolf, I'm not a mechanist and I cannot help you on this subject, but be sure that 76000 km is nothing for a Venture. I have myself more that 87000 and many venturer have more than 120000 km.
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Post by Falko on May 4, 2005 8:54:40 GMT 1
here we are at 170ooo K ! on an XVZ 12 from 83
if noone can help - ask Colin Morish on the int. meeting to lent you an ear
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Post by Nacho on May 4, 2005 15:26:33 GMT 1
Hi there, Wolf.
Well, I don't really know much about mechanics, but I can tell you what my experience was with my RSV (I guess you have the same model).
I also had to change my clutch discs due to slippery feeling when accelerating strongly in highways in fourth and fifth gear. My Yamaha dealer told me it was normal with 75.000 km and I first thought it was not normal. Next year, a few member of the Spanish Venture Club had to do the same thing with only 50.000 or 60.000 km.
About the change of noise of your bike when you grab your clutch, I think it is completely normal. Every single bike changes the way it sounds when you pull the clutch. I can't tell you the reason of this, but I'm sure the experts here can tell you why this occurs.
Mine even has a completely different noise in 4th gear than in the rest of the gears. I sometimes avoid driving in that gear and jump from 3rd to 5th or simply stay in 4th as less time as possible. Some other times the music is so loud that I simply don't car what gear I'm driving in.
My waterpump I don't even know where it is, so I don't know how it sounds either, but I can tell you that my RSV also makes that "ticking" noise when in neutral but it disappears when changing into any gear.
Well, I know I was not of much help, but at least this is what I have experienced with my lovely Venture.
By the way, my bike has right now 115.000 km.
Best regards,
Nacho.
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Post by bunnie on May 4, 2005 23:29:28 GMT 1
With my first one I had to replace the ignition coil (bobine) too. Never had clutch problems nor with the waterpump.
If it is the waterpump, I think there is no repair but to replace it.
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Post by Yamamoose on May 5, 2005 2:43:37 GMT 1
The RSV is famous for clutch and gear noise, but I haven't heard much about problems with the water pump. What makes you think the noise is coming from the water pump? Does the noise stay consistent no matter what gear you are in or the speed you are going? I have a 99 RSV with 36000 miles on it, and have not replaced the clutch or clutch basket, but I did have the bearings in the rear end replaced shortly before the 5 year warranty expired. The input bearing was bad, but my dealer replaced everything. If you can, get another dealer to check it, in the U.S. only about one of every four dealers has a mechanic who is competent and honest! Those qualities are getting hard to find. I would like to help you more, but living in Colorado in the Western United States, I don't think I can drop by!!! You are welcome to bring your bike to my place though, I do have a spare bedroom!!
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Post by roland on May 5, 2005 18:05:13 GMT 1
Checked the repair manual for this. May be there can be a clicking during it's working, but shouldn't with this parts. Are You sure the water pump is making noise? It is under the chromed cover over the floorboards on the right side towards the cooler. Can be repaired with parts but for something taking out You need a special tool. Can't be too expensive because You can get the parts usually are worn.
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Post by WOLF on May 5, 2005 18:37:19 GMT 1
Thank you guys ,for trying to help me Yes i am sure it is the waterpump who makes that noise,when i hold my hand on it i can feel it tikking, it stops when i pull the clutch level. I dont now if it does any harm but i now for sure that the noise wasn't there before the dealer installed a new clutch 12000kms. ago. Anyway i dont like the answer of my dealer when he said the more kms. you have one your bike the more noise different things will make in your engine The prbleme here is that there are only a few ventures sold and the most of the dealers seem to be affraid working on this bikes
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Post by WOLF on May 5, 2005 23:27:40 GMT 1
Thank you Yamamoose, maby ill take your offer for the speare bedroom in two more years when i'm planning to buy a new one en order it over there
greetings,Wolf
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Post by Falko on May 6, 2005 9:32:28 GMT 1
uuuppppssssss i think there might be the chance that two other very rare and expensive parts are involved in that sound-problem ! i`m so sorry to mention this : but: have you ever given someone else the chance of a testride to hear those noises ? If noone else hear those noises : you only have to check if your ears are ok ;D but if they are ok omg you may have to take place on a couch for severall times and talk to a nice doctor ..... to get rid of that noises.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D jus kiddin ......... i hope you find the prob if there is one..., and get it fixed...
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Post by WOLF on May 6, 2005 11:03:56 GMT 1
Very funny, my wife said the same thing about my ears so maby there is some truth hidden in these words In the afternoon i'm going to a dealer nearby who selles Susuki and just started with Yamaha to ask his opinion. Next sarurday i'm going to France for a week en the fourth of june i'm travelling to Romania for two weeks so i hope that i dont have to peddle to the meeting in France like on a bycicle
Greets, Wolf
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Post by VentureBiker on May 6, 2005 14:28:17 GMT 1
Hoy wolf, Are you shure if the waterpump make the noise, I think more the clutch. because if you use the clutch, you don't hear the noise anymore, if the engine is running, the waterpump stay's rotating with the engine. so the waterpump most make the noise also if you use the clutch. Well, the cause of noises are hard to find.
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Post by WOLF on May 6, 2005 14:55:51 GMT 1
Hello Venturebiker, I just whent to another dealer en he thold me that it is not the pump buth te clutchklok (whatever this may be?) it is normal after somany kms. en usualy the dont change it because to exspensive and not neccecary it doesn't do any dammage on the engine only that it makes the irritating noise. So i'm planning to leave it this way and see what it does after coming back from my journey
Geetings, Wolf
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Post by roland on May 8, 2005 9:53:07 GMT 1
@ Wolf: You told you can "feel" the clicking. The water pump is at the right side and the clutch is at the left side. If you can really feel it then you have to know what part the noise is making. I had a look in the repair manual for "clutchklok" and found no part with this name. If it is the clutch think about the barnett kit from USA. The clutch can be fixed by yourself without special tools.
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Post by WOLF on May 8, 2005 18:51:49 GMT 1
Hello Roland, I think the name for the clutchklok as i called is clutch boss.I've looked in my Clymer repair manual and i think it is that peace the dealer ment. He explained me that it gives presurre to the clutchplates so the will be pressed when the cluchlevel is pulled in. Unfortunaly my englisch is not good enaugh to understand all the technical words in this book. Anyway the clutch is replaced 12000kms. ago On my bike the clutch is just above the floorboard and the waterpump is in front of it above the brakepedal. When i hold my hand on the pump i feel it tikking and when i pull the clutchlevel it stops and the engine makes a match smoother noise,buth i dont understand that if there most be something wrong with the pump my engine don't get overheated. I will see what it does next saturday when i'm going to France Greetigs, Wolf
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Post by TwoWheels on May 9, 2005 6:33:54 GMT 1
Wolf,there has been no reply's yet in the USA about your waterpump,I'll keep watching.As Falko said,email Colin Morrish in the UK,he may have an answer,he has his own bike shop & knows about these bikes.
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Post by roland on May 10, 2005 7:33:09 GMT 1
I think You don't have to worry about the clicking yet. May be there is some part a little bit worn out, but it works! There are some noises at my bike I don't love but they are all normal. No bike is quite the same as another and the tolerances in the parts are sometimes bigger than at a other bike. I would fix it when it is broken or can cause some problems.
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