Let's sort out these meetings

[bunnie]

johnjr said:

a whole lot of sense. Glad to see our conversation in Laubach is still holding out.

There should be a clear divergation about all these meetings. In my opinion there four kinds of organised meetings (@john: read meeting as a get together funwise)

• first the national meetings organised by the national clubs
  
• The international meeting also organised by the nationals
  
• regular VCE meetings organised by the European Venture Club "Staff" or delegates
  
• spontaneous or irregular VCE meetings organised by members of the VCE
  

Especially the latter is important. This are probably the meetings with a lot of potential and surprises.
With those we are able to explore Europe as true Europeans using each other knowledge of the whereabouts.

[bunnie]

Since there is no response to the idea, I assume this division is okay.
So what do we do with it?

That is easy: nothing!

Huh? And why is that one might ask.

Well while there is nothing new about it. The situation as it is now, is just analysed and sorted out.

Since we are all human, exceptions accepted, some of us like it to have some structure while others don't or even hate it.

This way we comply to all.

Now we have to decide what kind of regular VCE meetings we should have.

After that we can decide that what to do with it. How to fill it in.
Staff could choose one of the last kind of meetings to be a regular VCE meeting.
Or an enthousiastic could even offer to organise such a meeting.

So please keep this thread alive by giving your idea about this.

[roland]

Isn't there a poll about how much and how often the meetings should be? In my opinion one in may and one in oktober. This would be my preferences.

[johnjr]

Well...I've given my thoughts on this subject already in about 10 other threads!!!!! Can't remember cause there's so many running here!!!!

First..this subject isn't an International Venture Meeting topic......it should be moved...along with ever other discussion going on about the Venture Club Europe Meetings, get together's, Ride-In's, trip's, show's, stop's, ......etc....etc....etc..... So once this subject gets to the rite location, I think everyone can concentrate on what the topic is!!!!! And that is...........having Ride's at the beginning & ending of the riding season in Europe, and additional Ride's or Get together's that Venture Club Europe folks would like to organize and plan and participate in!!!!!

So......if the entire thread can be consolidated into one, I believe the discussion can continue in a more organized manor ;D That's what I think...and I'm stickin to it ;D

[bunnie]

Okay, that is a clear misunderstanding;

indeed we are talking about giving some kind of structure in our meetings we like to attend and therefor they have an international accent.
But talking about "International Venture Meeting" one could and should read the yearly event organised by a national club on behalf in the 1st place for the other national clubs.

So I moved this thread to a better location I think;
this is about Meets and Rides so that is correct and it does not fit in the other boards so this one remains.

Now then, consolidating threads is not what can be done on this forum, but it is possible to quote from other threads.
How to do that is simple:

• go to the posting you want to quote
  
• click on the text "quote" in the upper right corner of the posting
  
• hit the keys [CTRL]+ and then [Ctrl]+[C]
  
• go now immediately to the thread where you want to post the quotation (so DO NOT click on "post reply")
  
• place the cursor in the box quick reply beneath the thread or just click on reply
  
• hit the keys [ctrl]+[V] and post

Now we can continue entering or quoting our thoughts and opinions about this issue. We are eager to hear from you also if you agree or if you don't really mind how things are called.

[bunnie]

roland said:

Isn't there a poll about how much and how often the meetings should be? In my opinion one in may and one in oktober. This would be my preferences.

To start with a poll is not the way to do it.
First we have to hear eachother and do some mindsetting doing so.
When all opinions are talked about and the discussion is not developing anymore then, when needed, we can choose to poll.

This is also the reason that only staff can initiate a poll.
But I can imagine that forum members want to start a poll too. I will talk about this with Falko, Nacho and Rudy.
Please remind me to let you know about the outcome.

[johnjr]

Great Bunnie....its a start, now that it can all be located in one area/discussion for everyone to stay on top of better. Danke...... ;D

I am not going to get to involved from the Euro Club prospective because I think you all can handle that with no problem...so I am for anything you all decide. As this discussion developes, I might like to interject some things to add to the stuff you all will be discussing.....so...

As Bunnie said, get after it gang....make it happen....get some things ironed out and lets Ride!!!!!

[johnjr]

Hello............any one interested in expanding on this topic???

[roland]

I don't think so. In my opinion I will take part in every meeting I want to. For this it's not really interesting how much meetings there are. I can only take part when I have the time to do this.

[johnjr]

Roland...thats funny!! What I was asking , can we discuss just those meetings.....when, where, etc. so you will have a list to look at??? You don't have a very big list at this time!!!!

[roland]

Sure, there isn't a big list at the moment. But winghunter has announced a meeting april/may next year and for sure we will have a meeting in autumn next year. There also is the international meeting in the netherlands. This is for the moment enough i could plan with. Additional there will be a holiday with the bike. More I can't plan yet. And this is why I can't say anything about more meetings. Don't forget a lot are involved in other clubs. There is always too less free time.

[johnjr]

Absolutely....everyone is busy during the summer...and there is not going to be any need to go to all the meeting /Ride Ins........the whole idea will be to have them at certain times and geographic places, so those who can...will make them.....

for example Roland.....lets just say we have decided to have 6 Ride Ins. next year....

April/May..Winghunters in Isny, #2 in Strasbourg, #3 in Lille, #4 in Bordeaux, #5 in Barcelona, & 6 in Salzburg.......you would have all of these to chose from...you might be able to go to one...in Isny...and none of the others.......but, if you think you can make it to the one in Strasbourg you will have that choice......
..so the whole idea is to have several all over europe so everyone has a chance to go to one...or more if possible!!!!!! What do you think?? ;D
I certainly can not go to them all...no one can, but I might be able to go to 2-3....and so might you....it all depends on our schedules!!!!! ;D

[winghunter]

Roland, you forget to take the vacation meeting on your list ;D ;D ;D ;D

[bunnie]

a meeting is a meeting you could say. It does not matter what under what umbrella or for what reason it is organised. True.

But we do want to have some organising and naming.

Just to give some impostance to them.

ie for me a (2-)yearly VCE meeting is more important for me then a more local meeting. Knowing when, where and what kind of meetings there are I can decide to go to which one and why if both are not possible for me to go to that is.

and there are more reasons to get at least a bit organised. I'm a bit in a hurry now.

[doc]

I think it important to split the two VCE meetings between north and south of Europe.
For the spring perhaps head north to say Germany, Holland, UK and Poland etc and for Autumn catch the late sun in the South anywhere south of me in S France, Italy, Spain etc.

We would be happy to host one here at the chateau, but I don't know that the Jura is quite far enough south for our Southern members.
We don't want to separate the membership north/south, but we need to be geographically fair about the two meetings.

If you Spanish guys feel that everything is happening too far up north then you need to speak up on this.
Am I far enough south you could get up here for (perhaps) the autumn meet?
Does someone want to arrange it somewhere around Northern Spain perhaps?

Looking at the Frap Map I am geographically about in the middle and have the space so if people like the idea we can look at autumn 2006 here.

We really need some input from Spain though because if you guys can’t come up here then everybody would be travelling south to get here so we might as well move the meet further north if that is the case to spread out the travel requirements of those who are coming.

[winghunter]

So, the spring and the autumn meetings are fixed

For my opinion it is a fantstic idea !!!!

[TwoWheels]

I like Doc's idea,it would definetley suit some members who live 2 ponds away & the weather suggestion is good,as I like dry riding,that's my opinion.

[johnjr]

Sure..sounds logical...but as Doc said...we need feedback from Nacho's crew.............So, Nacho.....how about looking over this idea and giving all of us your ideas, thoughts...etc............ ;D

And Doc.....I'm sure we can do something further south of here as you mentioned......I'd sure think Barcelona would be a great spot...but we will need a little Spanish input before we go any further....I think Doc put up quit a few of the guys last year for the French Meeting, and even though he is agreeable to host another get together...we should spread it around a little so we don't wear out our welcome!!!! ;D

[johnjr]

I'd also like to bring this discussion up along with the other, above.............see below
____________________________________________
"There should be a clear divergation about all these meetings. In my opinion there four kinds of organised meetings (@john: read meeting as a get together funwise)
first the national meetings organised by the national clubs

The international meeting also organised by the nationals

regular VCE meetings organised by the European Venture Club "Staff" or delegates

spontaneous or irregular VCE meetings organised by members of the VCE

"Especially the latter is important. This are probably the meetings with a lot of potential and surprises.
With those we are able to explore Europe as true Europeans using each other knowledge of the whereabouts."
___________________________________________

Again, I am promoting the need to try and get some of our members to host a Get Together .............. " spontaneous or irregular VCE meetings organised by members of the VCE"............It surely is the best way for us to meet each other....even if we can only go to one...at least we have a chance to go to more than 2!!!!!

[bunnie]

Okay John,

the first two are known and not for us to organise.
the third is on the way; I propose for this only two meetings namely the opening and the closing.

What remains is the last one. Now how do we get those guys activated?

[johnjr]

Well, that is what I wanted to do when we get on the chat room.....get everyone involved that we need too, then talk about it a little bit. So, by the way, I haven't heard from Falko for a while except to hear that his love life has improved substatually. Guess he has no time now for motorcycling??
I will IM, email, etc. everyone and see if we can get a time to jump on the chat room......once I get that response back, we can set a time and place and I'll put an outline together so we can stay focused on the topic!!! Hows that sound?

[roland]

Yes, good idea! Don't forget to take part in many meetings as possible is one problem. Another problem is every meeting needs at least a minimum of organisation. To organize something depends on how much people can take part. For this You need to know who takes part for sure. No one can tell it a year before, so I think there are more complications as we can imagine. In my opinion are less meetings more. No problem with meeting a handfull people anywhere anytime for a weekend. But this is to plan within a week and you can have a look on the weather too.

This are my thoughts about it.

[winghunter]

I like to stay with Bunnie`s idea - of course it is my own opinion as well. We should saddle down two VCE meetings per year and of course there is room for weekend trips. But the VCE meetings shall be a highlight for all of us. For those meetings should be a concentration by our side. All others can get arranged with a minimum of organisation.

And we have the International Venturer meeting. Don`t forget that.

[Gordon Ellis]

Hi all
I fill two VCE meetings will be well planed, and sorported by members.
And weekend! meetings, ride outs, can be organized in local areas
and members can meet up.
It's a sham we have that pond between us.

[johnjr]

I understand all of your concerns Roland and Rudy and Gorden...but that is why I'd like to talk it out some more....I think you all might be missing my idea...but I am understanding of the obstacles ....and agree!!!!

[Falko]

just to let you know

bunnie and johnjr. have said it perfect

there are diff meetings

and the meetings org. by the VCE are the importnat ones for us..

the member organized meetings...
yeah lets do start it
everyone !
thats just lik e rideouts with informing each other

JOHNJR. START it !!!! you live in a fantastic area
work out a weekendride with a nice cheap hotel
and invite us !!!!!!!!! for next year

if it works other will follow....

[johnjr]

;D ;D ;D And that is what we will do!!!!!

[johnjr]

An UPDATE.....still waiting for one or two more responses....of course, Nacho might be busy, so we will see if he can join when we decide, but if not, I can tell him about the dicussion.......so, will keep you all informed !!!!

[roland]

Yes, I am also of the opinion the two VCE meetings and one international meeting are fixed. All other ride outs should be started from members and every memeber can take part in whenever he is able to do it.

[Falko]

we dont need more input !
;-))))

just start planning...


Winghunter was busy to plan the first VCE-Meeting

the best Idea from any Member will qualify for the second VCE - Meeting !

in the second half of the year...

if no better input we may go for Laubach again...